The SoCon championship

The SoCon championship

Postby Cujo » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:49 am

This game is awful to watch. It is some of the worst basketball I’ve witnessed, but what really troubles me is that we got pasted by both teams.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby AP » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:10 am

These are good teams, my dude. Started off real sloppy, but G got warm in the second half. Congrats to them. They ought to get a seed in the 13/14 range. Hope they get some Ws in the tourney. First NCAA Tourney since 01. Must feel good.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby Cujo » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:20 am

They may have good players, but that was some ugly basketball. College basketball has almost become completely unwatchable.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby big_dog1968 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:09 pm

Cujo wrote:They may have good players, but that was some ugly basketball. College basketball has almost become completely unwatchable.

You forgot the hashtag. #bringbackCJT
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby Cujo » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:30 pm

In spirit I agree. I may not want CJT in particular, but I’d take the Princeton style team basketball of old.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby Smurf » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:09 pm

Is it really too much to ask for a program that was to be emphasized, a program that said they wanted to be like Butler, Davidson, etc., a program that was a sleeping giant blah blah blah to merely be competitive?

Here is our RPI for the last 10 years:

2017-2018 295
2016-2017 170
2015-2016 253
2014-2015 305
2013-2014 314
2012-2013 291
2011-2012 269
2010-2011 284
2009-2010 262
2008-2009 227

There are currently 351 Division I basketball teams. Over the course of the last 10 years, our RPI has averaged 267 and we've finished in the top 50th percentile just once during that span. That is pathetic and it is am embarrassment. It needs to be fixed. Don't give me lip service. Give me results.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby AP » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:52 pm

RPI is irrelevant. Give me Pom or give me...not death.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby Smurf » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:35 pm

It's not irrelevant. Emperically we are bad and the RPI corroborates that.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby AP » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:42 pm

It's only relevant because the selection committee uses it. RPI doesn't account for home/road, margin of victory, or true strength of schedule. Just because a flawed metric supports your point doesn't mean you have to use it.

BTW, the one I prefer backs up your point as well. KenPom rank in reverse order starting with this year and going back to 2006: 297, 166, 221, 293, 321, 293, 285, 311, 250, 250, 299, 221, and 133. That's the basic time period that any current recruit has been in school--like, from elementary school through today. Everything in THE BEGINNING is in red and pre THE BEGINNING is in blue. We've had two years better than the season that got Jimmy fired.

Jimmy's last 7 years avg = 249.8 (it's 269.3 if you use just the last 6)
The Beginning 6 years avg = 265.2

We've been below average for a while now. (The top half of D1 would be a KenPom rank of approximately 175.) But we're a little worse now than we were under the previous staff and we're doing it with double the budget, support, recruiting freedom, emphasis, and resources that they had. We're been hemorrhaging players (in fairness, that was more an issue under CBS than under Padgett) and we're continuing to lose guys who should want to have the complete Samford experience. I wish I cared more.
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Re: The SoCon championship

Postby Smurf » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:23 pm

I am not arguing that the RPI is perfect or superior to other metrics, but it does have some validity and reliability. I wasn't using it to project the NCAA field, but merely to prove the larger point that we...well...suck, which I think the RPI supports.

As rough as those last few years of Tillette's tenure were, it is troubling that we are no better off than we were when we let him go. I had hopes that next year might be a rebound year for us, but based on the Walker departure and the rumors here of potentially other departures forthcoming, I am afraid that the immediate looks bleak. The beat goes on...
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